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Post by Nostalgia Critic on Sept 30, 2019 0:00:45 GMT -5
1. I’m fine with making it about like parents/guardians in general but id like it if they had their moments alone so splinter can help goofy let go. Because splinter can understand.
2. Oh no I get it. Goofy wants max to be happy and be free to date whoever but at the same time it’s his baby. He is still learning to let go. Never thought that he hated Leo far from it. Just thought max would learn from his past encounters and do a more mature way to get goofy to back off by helping goody accept or at least bond more with Leo that way he feels involved without being clingy.
3. As for Pete my muse honestly is him being overall content with atg for a long while cause Pete imo can’t stand Mickey and would rather drop dead than see that pipsqueak. That being said he has little issues with goofy anymore so he does have regret and thinks about it. I do eventually think he’ll come back but it’ll take a while(aka I find someone to replace him). That’s why goofy confronting him could be real fun.
Post by Nostalgia Chick on Sept 30, 2019 13:18:00 GMT -5
1. well could go a goofy/splinter bonding thread and a parent one later. or do both xD
2. The second movie barely touched on it but it soundes like he may suffer from depression of some kind. He put too much focus on his son's happiness that with him gone he didn't know what to do with his life. And when Max got mad at him showing up at college you could tell things could have gotten really bad. Sylvia helped him feel better but he probably needs therapy of some kind. maybe just talking about things he's repressed or ignored would help too. i don't know how he'd really like leo quickly. i mean when he hears of the war and leo used to be a villain he may get more worried xD
3. goofy and pete's reunion/fight could set the stage perhaps. Despite Pete's efforts to take over France and kill Mickey, Donald and goofy... Goofy and Pete became friends of a sort. Sure Goofy may annoy him now and again but Goofy might have been one of the few real friends Pete had. Peg and his kids aren't here so that might change things too if any of them show up at Critic's side. Perhaps the fight makes Pete question if he is on the right side. Slipping back into being a villain was easy for him but perhaps he's changed living in Spoonerville more than he realized. Perhaps he switches because Goofy and/or Max are in danger. And he can't them get hurt. Or Peg, Pistol and PJ if any of them show up.
Post by Henry V/Hal on Sept 30, 2019 14:08:08 GMT -5
1. We can always do both.
2. Hence why I think both max and Sylvia will work together to help heal goofy from the loss of his wife and other stuff. I think max, for both selfish and selfless reasons, wants goofy to move on with himself. I know he'll eventually learn the army change up leo went through but that's why I think max telling him and also telling him he was brainwashed will help. I get that goofy will be nervous but I want to develop max as way less angry and a bit more developed. I was thinking of either a thread between them(Like father and son with splinter and leo) or at least a group one where goofy DOES learn about it but it comes from leo himself or max gets permission from leo to be honest. And goofy basically gets nervous and is honest with max like "I want you to be happy son, I know leo makes you happy. But please, please be careful" and max will be like "Of course I will dad" and the two will come to a understanding.
I know goofy will have to learn to get used to it but my idea is to have max be leo's champion while also being a bit more mature and understand that his dad just wants him to be safe. This war kind of makes max realize how lucky he is to have a active, and loving, dad and he'll try his best to be as patient as possible. And Sylvia will do her part to help him accept.
3. That's not a bad idea. Mickey and pete are like enemies but goofy isn't. My theory is that goofy was the only one out of the three to try to reach him. Like when pete was in prison only he sent letters and gifts to encourage him. That's why pete moved to America too, as well as have a new start. Also his wife and daughter(and son) aren't here, goofy may be the closest to a family he has. The confrontation really puts him into perspective and he realizes he can't just move on with his life either. And goofy's friendship means way more to him than he originally thought. So maybe goofy, max, or both get captured or even really hurt and it motivates pete to try again and go back. I'll be able to find someone to replace him in the meantime.
Post by Nostalgia Chick on Sept 30, 2019 14:54:25 GMT -5
1. cool.
2. yeah i think having max and sylvia both here will help. maybe bonding with splinter could help him in that way as well. He's a good listener and like the unofficial counselor there. xD
but yeah those sound like good ideas. Maybe just a Goofy and Max thread at least to start out with. could throw in others later. i think mickey could used for that too. minnie's not here so he can worry more about goofy. as children/young adults they inseparable as a trio. wanting to be a musketeer, then following their dreams. then they separated after goofy moved away to provide for his family. Mickey, Donald and Pete are kinda the closest Goofy has to brothers so he'd always feel close to them in different ways.
3. Perhaps through Goofy and Max's stories of Goof Troop/Goofy movies or seeing it in action Mickey could learn how he changed. I don' t know if Mickey and Pete would ever be best friends.... but for Goofy they might call a truce once Pete gets there perhaps.
I'm kinda tempted for Goofy to try to reach Pete but get hurt in the process. Maybe one of atg teammates thinking they were protecting pete or one of facilier's goons if it was a 3 sided war. Goofy's determination to not give up on him might make Pete also shocked. Like the amount of times he took adantage of him in Spoonerville with scams, overcharging him... trying to avoid him. And yet Goofy still considers him a friend.
something like.
Goofy: "Being bad may seem easy, but you're not that guy anymore. Being good may be harder but it's worth it. You had a wife and kids who thought the world of you. And you'll always have me as a friend.
Post by Henry V/Hal on Sept 30, 2019 15:04:43 GMT -5
2. Splinter is everyone's freaking therapist lmao. But yeah sounds totally fine to me. Sounds like a plan to have a goofy and max thread where it becomes open after they reach a good understanding. Plus mickey can also help out in his own way. Or, I have this kind of fun idea, he does move on from max a bit but kind of leans on mickey more. Because he does really wanna try to give max his adult freedom but he's struggling. So mickey, like you said, can help. Mickey even might lean on him a lot too since as you said we don't have a Minnie yet(I want her so bad but yeah). We can develop their brotherhood a lot too.
3. That's a great idea. Pete will be so surprised goofy has been so loyal to him all these years, and even though pete has had many good moments with goofy, he'll realize from goofy getting hurt or having this heartfelt loyalty confession from goofy that he'll be like 'my god what am I doing?'. Plus mickey can listen to goofy's experience and be like 'maybe goofy's right and we should give him a chance'. I like the idea of goofy getting hurt. And I also like that mickey will be very uneasy with pete at first but thanks to goofy he comes to a understanding.
Post by Nostalgia Chick on Sept 30, 2019 16:58:44 GMT -5
2. so in a way splinter, max, mickey and sylvia will all help goofy. and he'll need all the help he can get.
3. yep. ooh especially if something happened and they're stranded somewhere like the jungle having to work together during this. and maybe few close calls li ke goofy nearly falling off a cliff or something due to his clumsiness. or shoves pete out of the way if he was falling. maybe even something like telling pete to watch out for max for him thinking he wasn't going to make it. but pete saves him somehow.. in the nick of time or something perhaps? xD
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Post by Cody Smith on Sept 30, 2019 17:39:52 GMT -5
2. Basically. I think max and splinter help him accept and mickey leans on him. And Sylvia's romantic ways and sweet nature makes him feel like he can have a new life.
3. That'd be kind of fun. A jungle thread where he and goofy get stranded together and throughout it go through hinjinks which causes pete to bond with him again and realize goofy is still his thread. Then another thread he notices goofy fighting and tries to get him out but somehow someone believes goofy is pestering him and hurts him. Leading pete to stop being wishy washy and join the heroes.
4. Speaking of battles, I was thinking since we're doing a kal and Jason vs don and jack, I was also thinking a roman and bruce vs virgil and chuckles as well as a drako and ratigan vs basil and splinter. Plus I was thinking ratigan and drako kind of make a few too many insults towards splinter calling him a disgusting rat or stuff like that and basil like snaps and responds "I'd rather have ten rats like splinter than ones like you" and basically shows that he loves splinter. And basically either basil or splinter or BOTH get really injured leading all types of people to be broken up by it. Leo and mikey will be beside themselves as well as olivia, leading the turtles to basically take the little mouse in like a little sister.
Post by Nostalgia Chick on Sept 30, 2019 17:51:50 GMT -5
2. sounds good to me then.
3. yeah. could be something like a battle in the jungle. atg don't want them to dsicover theire base opar so they attack the group... and in the confusion maybe pete and goofy who fought there get lost in the jungle by accident like thrown into it by an explosion or something. and have to work together.
3b. yeah i could see that. goofy's words are getting to him and he tries to help goofy. but someone else attacks and injures goofy forcing pete to rescue goofy and defy the army in one swoop. would also put him in mickey's good books. pete can't be all bad if he saved goofy right?
4. Battle one: i think bruce and chuckles might end fighting each other... because hurting roman or virgil would be like hurting the person they love. they are assential fragments of the same person so they wouldn't want to risk it.... most liikely i'd see roman vs. virgil and bruce vs. chuckles.
Battle two: Could work. I think Ratigan would go after splinter initially anyway. he wants to make basil suffer and perfect way that to hurt/try to kill splinter. and drako go after basil feeling like he has to defend ratigan's honor or something? xD and yeah could see the turtles bonding with Olivia.
Post by Cody Smith on Sept 30, 2019 18:27:46 GMT -5
3. That's perfect. In the mixup they get lost and find their way back, then once they return goofy gets hurt and mickey notices pete risk his life. Two plot points done at the same time.
4. Battle one: Yeah that's true. Cause they look very much the same. Roman has a different style than virgil but without the eye makeup and clothes, they'd be pretty much the same. Still it'd be interesting to see.
Battle two: I was thinking that too. I have two ideas: Either Splinter vs ratigan where splinter wins but at a heavy price(I was thinking he either gets a scar near his eye like Scar the lion or he loses a part of his right ear referencing the 90's films), causing basil to literally get pissed ala seeker style and decides to take them down but stops thanks to drako and basil makes up for it by hurting drako badly
Or second idea: Splinter and ratigan fight which basil interrupts and injures ratigan badly which causes drako to snap and take down basil hard and splinter risks his life. Which causes him to lose part of his ear or get a scar near his eye. Either way I kind of want splinter to get a injury he can't walk away from. Which would kind of make basil be lowkey overprotective of splinter
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Post by Nostalgia Chick on Sept 30, 2019 19:01:22 GMT -5
4. battle one: probably would the be the same i suppose for anyone dating one of the sanders. they wouldn't know much about the split. and might be afraid hurting one would hurt the others. i could see more li kely bruce trying to capture virgil because he's in a way like roman's brother of sorts. and chuckles would try to stop that.
Battle two: maybe a bit of both. i admit i'm kinda tempted for drako to injure basil but perhaps something like basil knocks drako out but drako injures him by giving a black eye or something.... and he rushes in to save splinter from getting badly hurt... but the damage is done.... ratigan.. probably would get hurt and leave with drako or drako would wake up and they'd escape together perhaps.
Battle one: Not a bad idea tbh. Bruce, in a misguided attempt to help, grabs virgil causing chuckles to get pissed off. Leading to a escape/fight type of situation, with roman helping out bruce but virgil helping out chuckles.
Battle two: Drako can give basil a scar or bad injury he needs to heal from. I was just thinking ratigan gives splinter either a eye scar, makes splinter lose a part of his ear or both. Both basil and splinter can get hurt because ratigan tries to attack splinter causing basil to get involved and ratigan calls for drako's help which leads drako to get into the fray. Resulting in all four getting injured. Drako gets the least, ratigan has to recover for a few weeks but both basil and splinter have to heal for longer(A two to five month period) with basil and splinter having scars from the fight(Splinter especially. I'm definitely gonna give splinter a eye scar but I lowkey want ratigan to use a weapon of some kind to get splinter right in the ear, causing a slight part of it to fall off)
Post by Nostalgia Chick on Sept 30, 2019 22:41:26 GMT -5
Battle One: Yeah. man I can just see it now. bruce tries grabbing him.
Virgil: I'm flattered but not interested. I've already got a boyfriend.
Bruce: What? I'm not...
Chuckles: You aren't taking him from me. I won't go back to being alone!
*Blasts Bruce.*
And then roman would shove him back and probably be more like a four-way fight at times.
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Batte Two: Awesome. I'd definitely like basil and Ratigan to have lasting injuries. Especially if Ratigan got hurt protecting Drako.... he sacrificed his henchmen to his cat or death to save himself.... putting someone else first would be a first for him. But he'd probably rationalize it as someone worth his time. xD
Post by Master Splinter on Oct 2, 2019 22:23:11 GMT -5
Battle Two: I'm happy to have drako injure basil and splinter injure ratigan. I've decided I'll do both the ear injury and eye scar for splinter so I'm willing to have ratigan beat the tar out of splinter lmao.
Also, wheeler and linka and ma-ti vs gi and Kwame is a must. Also I was really thinking freckles becomes IHeart's pet. I know she loves the Radcliffe's but she also is really good friends with IHeart and I think it'll make her feel like she has someone to look out for her. I remember in older threads freckles and IHeart had like a bond and I wanna explore that.
Post by Nostalgia Chick on Oct 2, 2019 23:38:14 GMT -5
Battle Two: Sounds good to me. kind of a battle of love. ratigan hurting splinter. basil hurting ratigan then drago hurting basil or something like that. xD
Captain planet war... yeah. problem would need to have them meet. would like to do more with duke nukem so maybe he could run into them too at some point.
Freckles: keeping her as a free pet. we talked about this already a while back. and i don't use her as much as i should anyway. so probably best to just keep them as friends like i said the last time.
Battle two: Yeah sounds great. Battle of Love I love that lmao
We could have duke nukem like bait them all out to fight him. But then, plot twist, they end up fighting each other a bit and duke's like "Da hell guys? You're supposed to be fighting ME!" Then it comes like a free for all. Wheeler and Linka and ma-ti will just try to focus on duke but gi is like so angry at them she kind of unknowingly makes it all the more chaotic.
Freckles: Oh that's right. I honestly forgot. But that's fine we can always have like IHeart be close to her as a friend and stuff.
Besides, Patch, Penny, Buddy and Junie are all pets to others anyway. It'd be kind of interesting to have a Dalmatian with no owner. But that being said, I was thinking that lucky is up for being taken in by a human if you're open for a hero having him. Merely an offer.